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Lukin83

pbr Game Scout additions

I would like to see the following added to this script...


1. Play breakdown by quarter.
2. Play breakdown by drive.
3. Times targeted.

Thanks!
mw54finest

Nice, I would also like to see "Total" yardage column.
pabst

Totals are already implemented in my home version.  I haven't done quarters yet, but it's in the same table as the totals so I'll get to it eventually.  Of the suggestions, this will definitely be the first to be implemented since it is by far the easiest.


If you want by-drive totals, I'm open to suggestions as to how it should look.  One table for each team that has columns with comp/att/yards/etc and rows with drive numbers seems the simplest way.  It would require a few changes, but nothing extraordinary.  If you want to see the actual plays like some sites do with the football field image overlayed with colored lines for runs and different colored lines for passes, that seems a bit overkill to me.  Though, if some brave soul is already working on it, I wouldn't be opposed to merging the code.

Targets is a bookkeeping nightmare, but I was planning on doing this eventually unless it finally gets put in the box score where it belongs.

Can't really put a date on any of this as I'm rewriting the way the script fetches plays which is, of course, proving to be much more of a pain in the ass than it should be.
mw54finest

To make the scout box work with quarters,
From Manager User Scripts, Highlight "pbr Game Scouts" then on the included pages click on add: Type this line in the box.
Code:

:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=*&mode=pbp&quarter=*


From the PbP screen click on any quarter number to display your quarterly stats. Smile

Pabst, how do I get a hold of this "home" version?
pabst

mw54finest wrote:
To make the scout box work with quarters,
From Manager User Scripts, Highlight "pbr Game Scouts" then on the included pages click on add: Type this line in the box.
Code:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=*&mode=pbp&quarter=*


From the PbP screen click on any quarter number to display your quarterly stats. Smile

Pabst, how do I get a hold of this "home" version?


I don't think I've ever clicked those links Laughing.  I assumed they just jumped down to the start of that quarter.  Didn't even know they opened a new page.

There's nothing really special with that version.  It's basically just yesterday's version with the pitches listed seperately from the rushes.   And, I replaced the table creation code, so I don't have to make those things by hand like in the original.  I'll probably just add quarters to it tonight and upload a new version.
mw54finest

I want the totals column! Smile Make sure you add that on the new version.
Lukin83

pabst wrote:
Totals are already implemented in my home version.  I haven't done quarters yet, but it's in the same table as the totals so I'll get to it eventually.  Of the suggestions, this will definitely be the first to be implemented since it is by far the easiest.


If you want by-drive totals, I'm open to suggestions as to how it should look.  One table for each team that has columns with comp/att/yards/etc and rows with drive numbers seems the simplest way.  It would require a few changes, but nothing extraordinary.  If you want to see the actual plays like some sites do with the football field image overlayed with colored lines for runs and different colored lines for passes, that seems a bit overkill to me.  Though, if some brave soul is already working on it, I wouldn't be opposed to merging the code.

Targets is a bookkeeping nightmare, but I was planning on doing this eventually unless it finally gets put in the box score where it belongs.

Can't really put a date on any of this as I'm rewriting the way the script fetches plays which is, of course, proving to be much more of a pain in the ass than it should be.


I definitely was not looking for a bar chart to display drives.  A table was all I was hoping for.
awalker

Having how many times a player was targeted would be sweet!
Lukin83

awalker wrote:
Having how many times a player was targeted would be sweet!


That is the one of my suggestions I want the most.
pabst

mw54finest wrote:
I want the totals column! Smile Make sure you add that on the new version.


I did. Just uploaded it.
pabst

awalker wrote:
Having how many times a player was targeted would be sweet!


Haven't uploaded it yet since I still have to test it, but it appears to be done.  Maybe tomorrow.
LaughMadcap

Ok, I don't know if this is a request, because I don't really know how you would do it, but I would like the same kind of scouting tool that works on defense. In otehr words, instead of breaking down the offenses plays, break down eh defenses plays, e.g. how often did they blitz, from where, how often did they play the pas vs playing the run, etc.

I was told it already did this. Maybe I installed the wrong script? I dunno.
LaughMadcap

Oh, here's a suggestion. How about adding distance on pass attempts and completions?
pabst

LaughMadcap wrote:
Ok, I don't know if this is a request, because I don't really know how you would do it, but I would like the same kind of scouting tool that works on defense. In otehr words, instead of breaking down the offenses plays, break down eh defenses plays, e.g. how often did they blitz, from where, how often did they play the pas vs playing the run, etc.

I was told it already did this. Maybe I installed the wrong script? I dunno.


This script doesn't tell you anything more than the play-by-play does.  It really just breaks down the play-by-play into a more manageable form.  The plays each team is running aren't available to us.  All we get are the players' movements (which aren't integrated into the script yet) and the play's result which is dictated in the offensive statistics found in the play-by-play.

For the actual defenses, we don't have much to go on.  At the moment, the best we could do is keep track of the defensive formations but I don't know how much help that would be, or if anyone would even want it since it still won't tell you man/zone/blitz.
pabst

LaughMadcap wrote:
Oh, here's a suggestion. How about adding distance on pass attempts and completions?


Distance on pass completions is already written, just not released yet.  Distance on pass attempts is a very different beast.  I'm sure you've noticed it's not in the play-by-play.  Unfortunately, that's only in the replay which means it'll take a bit more time to write.
LaughMadcap

ok fair enough, and thanks. I'll look for distance on pass completions soon. Smile
j0hnnyrazz54

Has there been any thought about adding pass deflections and hurries?  That might be a way to use this to scout opposing defenses...

I would think that they could be added to the tables.
kingsolo

Pabst... anyway of combining the already YAC script to get the actual pass distance formula for the script?  I'd like to see it ran as such to where it broke down 10 passes 16+ yards left, 8 passes 16+ yards middle, 2 passes 16+ yards right.  Kind of like a tic-tac-toe board with it being broke down as left, middle, right, in the columns, & brokend do farther by less than 5 yards, 5-15 yards, and 16+ yards in the rows.  If you need a picture of it to visualize, I can get you one.
pabst

kingsolo wrote:
Pabst... anyway of combining the already YAC script to get the actual pass distance formula for the script?  I'd like to see it ran as such to where it broke down 10 passes 16+ yards left, 8 passes 16+ yards middle, 2 passes 16+ yards right.  Kind of like a tic-tac-toe board with it being broke down as left, middle, right, in the columns, & brokend do farther by less than 5 yards, 5-15 yards, and 16+ yards in the rows.  If you need a picture of it to visualize, I can get you one.


Calculating the YAC in the same manner as the YAC script was the plan.  To calculate it, I need to download the replays: no big deal.  The problem is, I need to get so many of them that the network traffic will murder the server once people start using it because it would have to be done every time the play-by-play page is opened.  When Bort & company sort out the current server problems, I'll try again, but I wouldn't get your hopes up unless they do something drastic.  Implementing YAC, defensive targets, formation counts, and a few other things people requested is on hold only because of network issues.

A picture would be nice because I'm not sure how your suggestion is any different from the way it's implemented right now.  Currently, I can't calculate YAC for bandwidth reasons, and I don't show incomplete passes because of the bandwidth problems again: I need to load the replay to see how far the pass was thrown.
pabst

j0hnnyrazz54 wrote:
Has there been any thought about adding pass deflections and hurries?  That might be a way to use this to scout opposing defenses...

I would think that they could be added to the tables.


Someone has requested a table showing tackle splits for running and passing plays so I might add deflections/hurries/sacks if I can fit them somewhere.  The other request if anyone cares, was time of possession which I'll be adding to the totals table.

With it being a holiday weekend here in the states, I probably won't have anything for a few days.
kingsolo

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/kingsolo/Untitled.jpg

That's an image of what it would look like.  It'd be awesome to get that in there.  I know jack about coding, so I'm SOL... if it was Excel formulas, I can hold my own!  Smile  Cheers!
pabst

kingsolo wrote:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/kingsolo/Untitled.jpg

That's an image of what it would look like.  It'd be awesome to get that in there.  I know jack about coding, so I'm SOL... if it was Excel formulas, I can hold my own!  Smile  Cheers!



Have you downloaded a recent version of the script that shows my passing distance chart?  Granted, I only show completed passes, but that's not by choice.  It looks pretty much the same as what you want.

http://www.imagecross.com/image-h...iew-16.php?id=815Screenshot-4.png
kingsolo

Actually, I must have gotten my script right before you release the one with the chart cause mine doesn't have that.  I just downloaded the new one.  Can you verify if this counts the actual spot of the catch, or the total yardage of the pass?  If it's the total yards including the yards after catch, it's great data to have, but it's skewed for game planning.  Why defend the deep pass when the team is throwing to mid range and their WR takes it to the house.  You should have planned to defend the mid range pass to prevent the WR from even catching the ball, or at least minimize the yards after catch.
pabst

kingsolo wrote:
Actually, I must have gotten my script right before you release the one with the chart cause mine doesn't have that.  I just downloaded the new one.  Can you verify if this counts the actual spot of the catch, or the total yardage of the pass?  If it's the total yards including the yards after catch, it's great data to have, but it's skewed for game planning.  Why defend the deep pass when the team is throwing to mid range and their WR takes it to the house.  You should have planned to defend the mid range pass to prevent the WR from even catching the ball, or at least minimize the yards after catch.


It's the total yards including the YAC.  I know it's misleading for game planning, but people wanted it anyway.  To get the actual spot of the catch requires loading replays which I'm trying to avoid for the time being.
robelder

You could subtract the YAC from the total yards on the reception to come up with the catch distance without using the replays.

Scouting Report Ideas:

Time of possession would be great.

Number of plays per quarter per player would be nice.

Could you show us how to change the short, medium, and long distances in the game scout?  Has Bort let people know what are the distances required to be short medium and long?

Is there a way to change the layout so that when you copy and paste, it will either focus on the home or away team as a group.  Right now if you copy it and paste it into excel it will go back and forth between each team.  I would love to see it where when you copy it, it keeps all of Team A's stats together and all of Team B's stats together.

Would it be possible to scout a teams entire season or several specific games instead of one game at a time?  If this is possible, it would also be nice to add an average stats for all the games entered.  I was thinking we could type into greasemonkey the play-by-play links from various games, then maybe the whole thing could be generated somewhere on GLB.  Each person could decide whether to add 1 or 5 or 8 games or whatever and then it would generate the scouting report from all of the games listed and also an average for all the games.
pabst

robelder wrote:
You could subtract the YAC from the total yards on the reception to come up with the catch distance without using the replays.


But the problem is, I have to load the replay just to get the YAC, it's not available to me in the play-by-play which means I've got nothing to subtract.  Replay loading is not good.


robelder wrote:
Scouting Report Ideas:
Time of possession would be great.

That's included in the Firefox3 version of the script.  I haven't updated the FF2 version in a while, so if you're using the Firefox2 version, I wouldn't expect it anytime soon.  The way the original script was written makes this a major pain to get.

robelder wrote:

Number of plays per quarter per player would be nice.

To get this would require fetching the replays which causes a lot of network traffic.  So, this is on the no-can-do list for the time being.

robelder wrote:
Could you show us how to change the short, medium, and long distances in the game scout?  Has Bort let people know what are the distances required to be short medium and long?

I just made a small update to the script to make this part easier.  There are 3 variables at the top of the script now: longPass, mediumPass, and shortPass.  Set these to the minimum distance you want.  Currently they're set at 15 for long passes, 7.5 for medium, and 0 for short.  To my knowledge, Bort hasn't mentioned anything about it.

robelder wrote:
Is there a way to change the layout so that when you copy and paste, it will either focus on the home or away team as a group.  Right now if you copy it and paste it into excel it will go back and forth between each team.  I would love to see it where when you copy it, it keeps all of Team A's stats together and all of Team B's stats together.

It'll probably work like you want if I realign the tables a bit.  I'll play around with it.

robelder wrote:
Would it be possible to scout a teams entire season or several specific games instead of one game at a time?  If this is possible, it would also be nice to add an average stats for all the games entered.  I was thinking we could type into greasemonkey the play-by-play links from various games, then maybe the whole thing could be generated somewhere on GLB.  Each person could decide whether to add 1 or 5 or 8 games or whatever and then it would generate the scouting report from all of the games listed and also an average for all the games.


I'm planning on doing this but I have a couple greasemonkey problems to work out.  And, I wanted to wait at least until season 4 to see what the server situation is like once the new teams are added.  It will require a worst case of 21 page loads per team (1 for the schedule & 1 for each play-by-play).  It's not as bad as some of the scripts are getting to be since it shouldn't be run often, but it's not trivial.  If it gets released (which is not guaranteed), it will most likely do the entire schedule automatically which means I'll probably add checkboxes or something to allow you to remove certain games from the totals.
robelder

Thanks so much.  I think the full season scout is going to be pretty amazing.  I appreciate the alteration for the distances and trying to work on the copy paste feature.  That will be a huge help and until we can do a full season scout.  If I can copy and paste easily in excel, I can chose the games I want and drop them into excel and write a formula to get the averages.  It shouldn't take too long.

I thought there was already a formula written that puts the YAC on the play-by-play.  If that is not the case, then I guess it isn't very easy to figure out.

Thanks again.
pabst

robelder wrote:
I thought there was already a formula written that puts the YAC on the play-by-play.  If that is not the case, then I guess it isn't very easy to figure out.

Thanks again.


I believe RandomBeast came up with the formula for calculating the YAC.  But he puts it on the replay after calculating it from the replay.  He can't put it on the PBP and the replay is what I can't access without killing the servers.  So, we're both screwed.
RandomBeast

yeah, I need the info from the replay to get YAC, so getting it on the pbp would require loading that page.
robelder

Then we need to get Bort to put the YAC on the PBP. LOL.  That would be nice.
pabst

robelder wrote:
Then we need to get Bort to put the YAC on the PBP. LOL.  That would be nice.


You're close.  Actually what we want from Bort is the distance the pass was in the air.  That way we can calculate the YAC and know how far an incomplete pass was thrown.

Something like this would be nice:
2:27   2nd & 10   OPP 43   Arik Von Hawk pass to Cryptosporidium 137 up the right side (25yd, incomplete)
2:25 3rd & 10 OPP 43 Arik Von Hawk pass to PJ Paslosky over the middle (2yd, 8.5 yd gain) [tackle: Juliano Faria]

Two passes thrown.  The first is a deep pass down the right side which falls incomplete.  The second is a short pass over the middle with 6.5 yards after the catch.  One number, both results Smile
robelder

Has he responded to you guys or does he try to be very accommodating?
neverdodge

Hi,

About the scout script, is it possible to add how many times a CB was targeted ? (or is that right if i add the passing tackle, plus the pass deflected, plus stop, plus defeat. Will that give me the total number of time he was targeted ?)
prettylew

Is there any way to detail in the scouting how many incompletions were errant throws v drops v PD?
pabst

neverdodge wrote:
Hi,

About the scout script, is it possible to add how many times a CB was targeted ? (or is that right if i add the passing tackle, plus the pass deflected, plus stop, plus defeat. Will that give me the total number of time he was targeted ?)


The play-by-play doesn't show who was in coverage, so it's not possible without overloading the server by loading the replays.  No combination of the stats will tell you how many times he was targeted since you can earn several stats on one play.
pabst

prettylew wrote:
Is there any way to detail in the scouting how many incompletions were errant throws v drops v PD?


Newer versions already show pass deflections and drops for the quarterbacks and receivers.  All pass deflections weren't necessarily incomplete passes though.
neverdodge

pabst wrote:
neverdodge wrote:
Hi,

About the scout script, is it possible to add how many times a CB was targeted ? (or is that right if i add the passing tackle, plus the pass deflected, plus stop, plus defeat. Will that give me the total number of time he was targeted ?)


The play-by-play doesn't show who was in coverage, so it's not possible without overloading the server by loading the replays.  No combination of the stats will tell you how many times he was targeted since you can earn several stats on one play.


I hope Bort will implement that soon. In a team i play there's a guy running stats and he get the thrown to from a VBA macro (no clue what it is tho)
robertrjs

was wondering if it was possible to do something like:

pass or run on 1st & long, 1st and medium, 1st and short, 2nd and long, 2nd & medium, 2nd and short, 3rd & long, 3rd & medium, 3rd and short, etc...

Where it's something like:

short = 0-3 yards
long = 3-7 yards
long = 8+ yards
pabst

robertrjs wrote:
was wondering if it was possible to do something like:

pass or run on 1st & long, 1st and medium, 1st and short, 2nd and long, 2nd & medium, 2nd and short, 3rd & long, 3rd & medium, 3rd and short, etc...

Where it's something like:

short = 0-3 yards
long = 3-7 yards
long = 8+ yards

A table like this is on the to-do list.  It'll be done, just not sure when right now.

*edit: You can get this functionality by using the script in conjunction with the play-by-play filter script.  It only works for single games right now however.
PackMan97

Any chance we could get the the game scout to work on a players "Game Log" page?
pabst

PackMan97 wrote:
Any chance we could get the the game scout to work on a players "Game Log" page?

It should work there already if you have a recent version.

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